(Cody asks why he didn't make the list) "I think it's an international thing, like we talked about. "I'm . Is it even fair to expect today's prospects to compete with more certain rookies from the past? He just never led strong offenses as the lead guy despite getting all this offensive credit (the majority of Philadelphia's success came on defense). He played on plenty good teams on Houston when they were healthy. Nov 23, 2022 50 Retweets 4 Quote Tweets 505 Likes Tony @AssassnDMV Nov 23 Replying to @NBA and We discuss the Warriors-Kings incredible Game 1 and what it means going forward, the Lakers-Grizzlies matchup, the Clippers victory over the Suns and the Knicks-Cavs. Pau's easily in for Ben.
Thinking Basketball: How LeBron's longevity fueled his rise Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thinking-basketball/support, Our resident draft expert Chip Jones breaks down the 2023 NBA lottery picks, sleepers, and what teams had the best night in a class highlighted by Victor Wembanyama and Scoot Henderson at the top. Support atwww.patreon.com/thinkingbasketball--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thinking-basketball/support, We break down Miami's Game 1 win over the Nuggets, starting with Erik Spoelstra big adjustment to go big, another ridiculous shooting game from the Heat, and the idea of turning Nikola Jokic into a scorer. He's kind of like the guard version of Robert Parish (though with a slightly higher peak).
Ben Taylor | Offical #46 | NBRA He made a Tony Parker comp in the previous top 75 pod and people got mad at him, but there aren't a lot of people in NBA history like TP and AI who are LIGHTNING-FAST basketball players, who can apply pressure at the rim, who have some ability to score in the midrange, who aren't great outside shooters, don't really do a ton off-ball (though AI does way more than TP), and aren't really positive defenders. I nearly had him in, he's another one of these guys that, well, how am I gonna differentiate between like 30 guys that all have very similar career value and longevity? Sometimes I browse around in this view when trying to contextualize a bunch of stats for a team or player: All stats for players and teams are organized by category, and Ill often select (and de-select) entire categories to focus on skills like outside shooting and rim finishing. Proto-Nash, Nash-lite. Carmelo Anthony idk, Ben went in and out on many times. Going into specifics a little here, Manu is a little like Penny for Ben, he's just so freaking good at basketball. Both have a good case, both are in Ben's "bubble", Ben likes both of them as players, he thinks they were 5-7 of the best players of the 60s, but that neither of them have enough of a peak that really jumps out from a "greatest peaks" perspective, and even era-adjusted, neither of them really has the longevity either. Cousy's longevity probably is the tie-breaker, from what I can tell. Honestly, I didn't even think much about it. Archived post. It's so weird to think that he only has 2 All-Star appearances, because his quality as a player going back to 2005 is elite - you start talking about him as a top 10 level player every year when he's healthy for the next 7 or 8 years, something that's actually very similar to Paul Pierce except Manu also has intangibles off the wazoo. Was the best player on a team that knocked out peak hyper athletic LeBron on the way to a Finals berth. 2023 NBA finals eve eve and nothing better post game seven of Heat-Celtics. This is exactly what Ben Taylor of " Thinking Basketball " fame looks to answer in a recent edition of his popular YouTube podcast, which features the Celtic legend. Because we have this thing called the Iverson Cut that Philly popularized, and Larry Brown moved AI off-ball because his decision-making on-ball and his running of the offense as a high-volume playmaker and engine wasn't working enough --- it was a big thing that helped unlocked AI's value. I suspect, too, and as you say in this episode, the good Doctors knees started to betray him in the late 70s. To circle back to when George and Doc were sharing the same floor space, Ill always remember the remember the cover on one of the sports magazine back stating something like STAR WARS in talking about Dr. J, George, Doug Collins, and even Steve Mix (he of the famous bank shot) all playing on the same team, who, if they were on separate teams (like Dr. J with the Nets in the mid-70s) wouldve been far and away the # 1 Go to guy. Amazon.com: Thinking Basketball: 9781532968174: Taylor, Ben: Books Books Boxed Sets Sports Enjoy fast, FREE delivery, exclusive deals and award-winning movies & TV shows with Prime Try Prime and start saving today with Fast, FREE Delivery Buy new: $12.99 Get Fast, Free Shipping with Amazon Prime FREE Returns Ben Taylor from Thinking Basketball analyzes the changes to Jayson Tatum's game this season. Why Shaq and Kareem are underrated. He likely won't be waiting long to hear his name . 7. To see who is selected by which team, fans can . I love your show, nuts and bolts analysis plus a good amount of theory.Please have David Thorpe back hes awesome!!!! As you say, George McGinnis, not a very good jump shooter Dr. J wasnt either (although, Id argue the early 80s version of Dr. J was a better perimeter shooter than the late 70s version), commanded the same spacing on the floor as Dr. J. Includes top players, playmakers, scorers, player tendencies, plus-minus data, team data and more throughout the season, -A monthly Live Q&A with me on the Thinking Basketball Discord forum, Creating NBA videos, podcasts and analytics. Support atwww.patreon.com/thinkingbasketball--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thinking-basketball/support. Can you unpack your Embiid pick? (Cody: They left Howard, Jokic, and Embiid off the list. He runs a podcast and YouTube channel by the same name, and once ranked the 40-best careers in NBA history. Support atwww.patreon.com/thinkingbasketball --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thinking-basketball/support, We break down Denver's Game 1 win over the Heat, and how they used size and transition to create mismatches. Plus, Warriors-Lakers Game 1 reactions can Golden State adapt? It's just the spirit of the way they seem to have approached these things, and I go back to Walton and the Top 50 list, has always been acknowledging greatness when you se it before your eyes, and I think it's the same reason why so many of us nerds lionize Arvydas Sabonis before the Curtain fell, that kind of thing, like what he would have been like. Fantastic peak.
Thinking Basketball on Apple Podcasts --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thinking-basketball/support, We recap the wild Eastern Conference Finals and discuss Nuggets-Heat: Will we see the zone? #194: Early adjustments, the Kings D & Murray-Ant duel! Support atwww.patreon.com/thinkingbasketball --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thinking-basketball/support. We preview the Conference Finals, but first! With @codyhoudek. In addition to a facelift, weve also made major upgrades to our stats tools. Is there anything Miami can do to stop Jokic and Murray, and what can the Heat build off for Game 2? With @codyhoudek. Some questions Ben has: what's his defensive value, and how good of a shooter is he? My favorite feature is probably the player summary card, where you can see everything at once compared to the league. If you are having difficulty accessing any content on this website, please visit our Accessibility page. There was no surprise at No. Also, he never got the MVP love that his teammate Paul Arizin did; plus, they had another guy named Tom Gola who was an all around player and he got more MVP love too. He made his playoff debut as an NBA referee in 2019. Support atwww.patreon.com/thinkingbasketball --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thinking-basketball/support, #195: Warriors twin towers & Cavs+Grizz on the brink, Can you play 2 big men in today's playoffs?
NBA on Twitter: "Ben Taylor (@ElGee35) of Thinking Basketball analyzes And so all of this stuff where you can get catch-and-shoot stuff with AI, you can get this movement off-ball but how good was he actually at knocking them down? And what is going on with Jokic's plus-minus numbers? Ben Taylor from Thinking Basketball analyzes how the Pacer has done so. Member of the 56 Warriors championship team. Ben doesn't buy AI's peak as a super high peak guy but he thinks Iverson played long enough and was good enough that he's gonna keep him in. 161K views, 3.7K likes, 3 comments, 27 shares, Facebook Reels from NBA: Ben Taylor of 'Thinking Basketball' breaks down how Zion's return to the Pelicans adds a new dimension to their offense Watch. #201: Bubble redux preview & 20/20 hindsight! He's phenomenally gifted at basketball. Copyright 2023 Apple Inc. All rights reserved. (Cody: 7 All-NBA games is a very high number, too.
Ben Taylor (Author of Thinking Basketball) - Goodreads Although Hayes' scoring efficiency was horrible, his defensive impact was enormous over the course of a decade. With @codyhoudek. Producer $2 / month or save 10% if you pay annually Rivers in this scenario), their volume goes up and their free throws go up and their turnovers go up. David Thorpe's success as a basketball coach and media talent has made him a world-renowned basketball expert. Meanwhile, there were definitely other scorers on the team carrying the offense and Elvin Hayes didn't really have the greatest reputation, was thought of as a curmegeon almost, despite having monstrous defensive impact, so he never really had a shot at that award. Access podcast extras and Patreon-only posts on www.thinkingbasketball.net -- these often consist of additional research and deep-dive thoughts that don't make it into videos or podcasts.
Thinking Basketball on Apple Podcasts Unseld has the "scaleability" argument going for him so that probably sliiiightly tips him over the edge.).
'Get it done': An inside look at how the Timberwolves secured Naz Reid The player Ben always links McAdoo with in modern times is Amare Stoudamaire, who similarly also got to slide up and play C in the 00s Suns, and similar to Bob was a bit of a defensive liability at the 5. All-time scorer. ", 73 Damian Lillard IS OUT, very very barely, and from the same draft class, Draymond Green IS ADDED IN. Peaks. So, are centers less valuable than they used to be? Neil Johnston IS NEARLY ADDED IN. (Cody asks if Ben if he thinks then that his peak is stronger than Lillard's?) Its easy to see the Laker with the best on-court rating is below the Celtic with the worst on-court rating. THE "Z" SHOW 628 subscribers 2.1K views 2 years ago The "Z" Show Zach is joined by Ben. That to me is latching onto something and making it a narrative without balancing it out with some of the problems that Lillard's had". We take stock in player's around the league who have moved up (or down) in our minds thus far in the postseason, including a discussion on consistent players versus up-and-down players. If we just stopped the NBA tomorrow, till the end of time, and you were like 'Who are the players we need to talk about? (NOTE: Hayes was actually on Ben's list at first, but as the podcast went on he talked himself back into Unseld live on air lmao. But Penny Hardaway, to Ben, was a significantly better offensive player than AI and AI is a really good offensive player! Mourning also gets a shoutout as a very strong defender and he's also a solid scorer (though a bad passer), he doesn't quite have the longevity of Dikembe (he got a kidney issue in ~2000). Ben Taylor from Thinking Basketball examines how LeBron James' evolution as a shooter and overall player helped him break the all-time scoring record. 47 Alonzo Mourning IS ADDED IN. Sportsnet's Elliotte Friedman initially reported the teams were "discussing possibilities that could benefit the Blackhawks and ease the Bruins' cap situation." Hall had 16 goals and 20 assists in 61 games . Ben: "So I think Howard is in a way the biggest snub because he's got a career & a peak argument. Ben Taylor, creator of the popular YouTube channel Thinking Basketball (and author of Thinking Basketball the book) goes deeper on basketball analysis, history, philosophy and theory with a variety of guests ranging from journalists to former players. Based on peak. Support atwww.patreon.com/thinkingbasketball --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thinking-basketball/support, Devin Booker has been on fire over the first 9 games of the playoffs how sustainable is this hot shooting? Cody: Ok, this one is gonna be a lot harder for people to handle. "Are these two (Jokic and the next name) gonna be hot take names? "), 59 Vince Carter IS ADDED IN. Youre also correct in saying that there were many more players on the 76ers who wanted the ball vs. Dr. Js teammates on the Nets. I don't know how to get him off the list." Against the Bulls who ran through the Magic, Penny was the GUY for Orlando, not Shaq. Ben Taylor explains how moving Stephen Curry on ball changed everything for the Warriors in Game 2 against the Lakers. Playlist The Stitcher apps and web listening will be shutting down on Aug 29.
Jazz take UCF's Taylor Hendricks in first round of NBA draft - Sun Sentinel He was extremely close to edging Cousy: Cousy won the MVP, but the MVP voting from that time isn't necessarily trustworthy (Cousy had terrible efficiency and turned it over a bunch and was a subpar defender). If I remember correctly, George was traded for Bobby Jones, who was more of a connector piece or finisher on offence than George was. If you are having difficulty accessing any .
Thinking Basketball , Taylor, Ben - Amazon.com !-- he was just insanely good at his peak, and it's the reason why I think he's at an All-Star level even now (when his scoring has completely declined). Ben Taylor from Thinking Basketball analyzes the brilliant passing of Nikola Jokic and puts his skills in context among some of the games all-time best. And so, Ben thinks about how his career would've looked like that next to a dominant big man or something and they were a moderately good offensive team that needed someone to play huge minutes. Can the Heat generate enough offense? Watch on YouTube. I thought it would end up being a shoo-in, and then when I laid it out it was like oh.. he was actually more of someone I have to think about and consider and I think I'm still going to go in with him. Penny has other indicators like this as well when Shaq goes in and out of the lineup: his 3-year postseason peak is 27 points on +3% shooting, plus very good playmaking and incredible plus-minus numbers ---- he has the 13th best Augmented +/- peak on record going back to 1994, he has an awesome +/- footprint in the playoffs. "AD I think his peak is just too high, also AD has already made 8 All-Star teams so he's probably in on longevity as well. He delivered his best season, averaging career highs in points (11.5), rebounds (4.9) and field-goal percentage (.537).
Ben Taylor of Thinking Basketball breaks down Luka's 60-PT Performance Borderline weak-MVP level. Ben Taylor from Thinking Basketball breaks down how Luka Doncic picked apart the Knicks defense on his big night. These two are slam dunks for me. Both are very close. In terms of an impact-perspective, that Philly team wasn't even that good, it was a really weak Eastern Conference, and they snuck into the Finals by the skin of their teeth and didn't have much success afterwards. Now, Ben likes McAdoo's peak, but he thinks it's become a little overrated in the sense that people look at box score numbers and think "holy moley this guy averaged 35 a game and won MVP and finished top 3 in MVP voting 2-3 straight years" but it's the opposite story with McAdoo compared to Lanier, where the rest of his career outside his short peak is straight up not that good. Ben likes Amare and thinks he has a solid peak, but not an all-time-great one and he wasn't really considered for this list at all. ", 71 Russell Westbrook STAYS IN. Plus, Jamal Murray is on fire and the incredible Jimmy Butler 5-on-4 injury situation with Tom Thibodeau and the Knicks. #178: The best Age 21 and younger seasons in NBA history #178: The best Age 21 and younger . Listen to Thinking Basketball on Spotify. Support atwww.patreon.com/thinkingbasketball --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thinking-basketball/support, We break down Nikola Jokic and Jamal Murray's historic night, adjustments in the game, Christian Braun's outburt and what the Heat can do to attack Denver's defense. Things like that are really compelling, when someone can go to a different situation and succeed in slightly different ways.. People might say he only made one all-NBA team, but he was stuck with Dave Bing! Either of them would be a good choice. 54 Allen Iverson STAYS IN. Playlist 01:35 Game 2 sound bites: Butler vows to be 'more. Ben: "Well he only has 8 All-NBA teams. Ben feels like it was kind of absurd that he didn't make it. With @codyhoudek. Their duality basically cut into each others efficiency.
Thinking Basketball : Taylor, Ben: Amazon.com.au: Books Not a great passer or defender. I mean they just got nothing. https://app.link.nba.com/Think-B Ben Taylor from Thinking Basketball examines how Stephen Curry's Game 7 performance vs the Sacramento Kings perfectly represented his evolution as an offensive player for the Warriors. With @codyhoudek. Let's talk about Elvin Hayes, who NEARLY MADE IT IN over Unseld. Thinking Basketball: How Steph's offensive evolution has impacted the Warriors! His work in sports analytics has been used on. Ben: "Oh, Jokic's. Long term, wed like to keep adding new features and statistical tools whenever we can. Interestingly, Mark Price WAS NEARLY ADDED IN. Ben Taylor from Thinking Basketball breaks down why Scoot Henderson is considered one of the top prospects in the 2023 NBA Draft.
Thinking Basketball's smartest plays of the season | NBA.com Ben Taylor, creator of the popular YouTube channel Thinking Basketball (and author of Thinking Basketball the book) goes deeper on basketball analysis, history, philosophy and theory with a variety of guests ranging from journalists to former players. #202: How valuable are big men in the playoffs? Home About About Us Chris Alex Jen Our content Podcasts Blog Members area Courses Video Events Coach Academy McAdoo's peak was a little better, so that gets him into the "bubble", but the rest of his career just doesn't hold up- he goes to New York, where to be fair there were drugs, there was (coughs) cocaine, but his style of play didn't necessarily lend itself to a great sustained period of excellence the way Bob Lanier's did. But one of my favorite things to do is compare all the players on a team to the league, and for that you can use the search box in the upper right. With @codyhoudek. Also, if possible, trying to include a smattering of a few of the best at each area of the game (scoring, playmaking, defense, shooting). Support atwww.patreon.com/thinkingbasketball--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thinking-basketball/support, #211: Victor Wembanyama & the best prospects ever, Is Victor Wembanyama the best prospect ever? In this episode of Sports Business Classroom Audio Experience "Professional Series," host Howard Beck is joined by Ben Taylor, author of Thinking Basketball, host of the Thinking. I was just surprised that he doesn't have this career of just Slam Dunk All-NBA seasons for 10 years. Steph, KG, Bird, KD, Draymond are examples of ultra-scalable players; LeBron, Magic, Nash, Luka, Harden less so - they're moreso elite floor-raisers). Legit superstar, awesome peak, shorter overall career. (There's a video on him coming apparently :eyes: ). Check out Ben's successful YouTube Channel, purchase his book.
Thinking Basketball's smartest plays of the season | NBA.com coming off screens etc. What did we learn from an incredible opening playoff weekend? Breaking down Zion Williamson's return and why he's poised to become 1 of the best offensive weapons in the NBA this year. Our resident draft expert Chip Jones breaks down the 2023 NBA lottery picks, sleepers, and what teams had the best night in a class highlighted by Victor Wembanyama and Scoot Henderson at the top. Milwaukee and Phoenix have struggled: Finally, I like to use our freetrends tools to spot changes in style of play, or to identify shooting slumps and hot streaks. I just don't think people realize his impact numbers, the fact that GS was basically a defensive dynasty in the playoffs, and that they still take for granted --and this goes into the Steph Curry conversation-- Steph and Draymond together (as a duo), people just sweep that under the rug, but for me, I need an explanation for how very few players in NBA history have come together as a tandem and have played at like a 65-75 win pace. 40 Reggie Miller STAYS IN. Ben Taylor from Thinking Basketball dives into some of the best passes, reads, and play calls from the 2022-23 NBA season. In 2014, He became the Head Basketball Coach at Christopher High School.
Thinking Basketball - YouTube Gross was very unheralded and frankly so was the rest of this Jack Ramsey coached team (except for the Mountain Man Bill Walton) but he smothered Julius for most of that series. He's an absolutely unbelievable offensive player. 74 Nikola Jokic IS ADDED IN. Bonus for Nate T: when he faced other all star/elite centers, stats and articles both show he's having preeeetty significant impact on the defensive end and confirms what numbers and historians have said about him being one of the greatest defenders ever. 49 Grant Hill IS ADDED IN. In this case, Ive used the select stats dropdown in the upper right to make team offense the X-axis and a players on-court offensive rating the Y-axis.
Thinking Basketball's Ben Taylor - by Kevin Cole But the Spurs being able to take generational French talent Victor Wembanyama puts them at the head of the class. Luka returns to the floor tonight when the Mavericks host the Rockets at 8:30pm/et on the NBA App.
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Watch the moment LSU becomes MCWS champions - ESPN Video defense, passing, shooting, offensive rebounding. Cody, the co-podcaster for this episode, brings up one of his favourite counter-factuals in NBA history: how does our perception of AI change if Ray Allen knocks out the Sixers, or if Vince Carter makes that shot? Sharman however was like the OG elite outside sharpshooter: really modern shooting form, like when you watch film he's taking dribble-handoffs and pulling up with a hand in his face and a really quick release, shot 97% on 5FTA/game in the 59 playoffs. Im currently hovering over Joel Embiid, so he highlights in green on the graph: As youll below, we currently have player stats that include our in-house metrics for scoring, playmaking, and overall effectiveness (our Box Plus-Minus, or BPM model), along with popular public impact metrics, offensive and defensive stats, stats for effectiveness and frequency around the rim, midrange and outside shooting and team-level stats. The other thing about AI was that he was going to war every night playing 45 minutes a game, putting his body out there, huge offensive load, can pass and playmake --- all things which do bring a lotta value. What jumps out to Ben is that when Doc Rivers missed time on those teams, Dominique's numbers went down, both volume and efficiency-wise, which is a great indicator for self-creation and offensive load, and his free-throw attempts went down as well, something that's actually pretty rare -- what we usually see from guys who are huge high-volume players and have the capacity to be an offensive engine is that when you take someone else off the floor (e.g.
Taylor Hall, Nick Foligno Traded to Blackhawks from Bruins - Flipboard Who had these great careers?' See options Become a member Access exclusive benefits with a paid membership. Is Erik Spoelstra the best coach ever? | By The "Z" Show | Facebook Log In Forgot Account? He's like Dikembe (sliiiiightly lower peak than Mutombo) but minus Dikembe's fantastic longevity, and Ben's peak wasn't high enough to warrant making it in based on that alone. Hollinger & Duncan NBA Show - NBA Basketball Podcast.
Nice box score player, solid scorer. 36, 37 James Worthy STAYS IN and Dominique Wilkins STAYS IN. He was cooking MJ and Pippen. Bleacher Report - Joseph Zucker 1d. Hayes also had great longevity. Check it out for. Also, centers only had two All-NBA spots back then not 3 like nowadays, and one was permanently taken up by this fella named Kareem, so all the other 7-footers were fighting over the remaining one.
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