(Obviously I will be taking the time I need to recover and thats non-negotiable, but just to illustrate the situation.) I think LW saying theyre super busy this summer is pretty plausible, but it does potentially just perpetuate the problem and it might be hard to sell that theyre super busy every summer. Ill check out the glassdoor page. Not to mention even if one shouldnt win a lawsuit, businesses often settle anyway. It is super weird to try to police peoples sick time like this. Coworker talks about his religion all the time. Or 40 days instead of 20. etc. First things first: Employers are required to provide reasonable accommodations for religious reasons. Surgery is not automatically related to being trans though. Light activity only, the whole religious brag with the IMPLICATION that anyone who isnt involved is somehow lesser, but without explicitly stating it, feels like it has to be on page one of the religious over-extrovert handbook considering how common it is. But it seems to me (having kayaked all of once in my life and also watched the video of the whale swallowing) that its a pretty individual activity and it should be fine as long as you refuse any suggestions by your kakaying partner to go into a bait ball or strong current, you should be fine. This one really asked for it. Its not legal to keep saying that they are paying you $80K while paying $70K, though. If he continues after that, bring it to HR and definitely use the word proselytize if thats what hes doing, as well as religious harassment either way. I sat down with her and explained that as thoughtful as she was to offer to help her colleagues find their way to religion, her overtures were also unwelcome by most of our team. Youre going to be out for X days for surgery and recovery but you wont have a lot of notice. Give them space! They might use all their sick time, then either come to work sick or take vacation time to cover the rest. Maybe you could try earplugs? Yep. I realize that we can't very well write (much less enforce) a policy on talking about religion at work -- but what else can we do? Given this overlaps our busy period, I wanted to mention it now, in case bad luck puts it in our busy window, as Ill have to accept the slot when it opens. Why would anyone get written up for using the sick time the company gave them? However, the intent of the Department of Labor's Harassing Conduct Policy is to provide a process for addressing incidents of unwelcome conduct long before they become severe and pervasive enough to create a hostile work environment under the law. Tell your boss so they can plan. I get 12 sick days a year. You're not going to write a policy, but you need a way to communicate with your employees (other than one-on-one, which would take ages!) Poor moose, its cute when the mountain goats lick cars but they arent allowed! If neither of those laws was in play, it could still be illegal if they enforce the policy in ways that have a disparate impact along race or gender lines (or any of the other protected characteristics) or if they were in a state that required offering 12 sick days (although among the small number of states that require sick leave, I dont think any of them mandate that many days). OP4: I know what you mean about writing a rather useless email. Some of them aren't, and some people feel uncomfortable having to listen to other people telling them what to believe. That's why it's important not to push our beliefs -- religious, political or otherwise -- on other people. Years ago, I had a religious co-worker tell me once, after weeks of proselytizing to me, that I should be afraid her Gawd would punish me for eternity for being a heretical non-believer. updates: the monthly hikes, the coworker with the criminal record, and more, the outraged notes littering offices everywhere, update: my employee blows up my phone with memes and videos even in the middle of the night and refuses to stop, employer wants to hire my replacement but I havent quit, bosss daughter watches me while I work, and more, HR said a coworkers religion didnt count, employer wants me to lie about why Im leaving, and more, update: I feel no ambition whatsoever at work, updates: the blame-throwing employee, wearing a wedding ring to an interview, and more, updates: company asked for documentation of my dietary restrictions, Im afraid people at work will think Im being abused, and more. So they actually have one less day of sick leave than they think. My understanding is that in the US it would be very unusual to have a contract in the first place so this may not be an option, A contract isnt just a document with the word contract written at the top of it. (I worked somewhere that required exempt staff to use PTO in 4-hour increments. I feel like a broken record, but given the way Christian hegemony in the West treats Christian activities (like celebrating Christmas) as normal/secular/not explicitly religious and any activity from non-Christian cultures as religious, I get real nervous any time someone is like no religion in the workplace., If you can say youre leaving early to go to your sons school Christmas concert, I should be able to say Im leaving early to go to a seder, but in my experience the former is usually treated as a Normal Neutral Activity and the latter is religious., No religion usually ends up meaning conform to white Protestant norms.. Usually vacation time is the amount that companies need to pay out, so that does have an impact to a companys finances (they need to keep a certain amount in reserve so they can pay out vacation time if X number of employees leave at once). I ended up having to take longer due to complications, but I was an outlier and everything ended up being fine in the end. Came here to say this!
Talking about religion at work, taboo or okay? - Griffith University Because there is a lot of anti-trans bigotry out there, and growing, is my assumption. Theyre also big enough that likely no one would be able to do anything about it. If it was a day or two , you could get around it by saying you had a personal emergency but that wouldnt work if you were going to be out for four weeks recovering from surgery. For her, the argument is both scientific and. Like, a seder is something that secular Jews do, thats not inherently a religious practicebut because its Jewish, talking about it gets labeled as RELIGIOUS under a no-religion policy. 1. I absolutely think the heads up is a good idea, but its lean towards telling them you have no idea when theyll schedule you, that youve heard stories of people getting 2 months of warning, or people called up about a sudden opening next week, and that its important/crucial enough that you will definitely take the first available option. OP can reasonably safely tell their employer about their plans, and take the time off when they need to, and the company would be breaking the law if they retaliate and OP could take them to tribunal for compensation. Either they have to make you redundant (because they dont need someone to do the work or they dont need as many people to do the work, and they arent allowed to rehire within a certain length of time) or they can dismiss you for performance or misconduct, but that will generally have to follow a process because we all have employment contracts. Yep chronic condition haver here, and ya, I can confirm the reason I take Exactly All My Sick Days, is that when I dont have sick days, I still come in to work despite knowing Ill be low-capacity. It might be that the employer is trying (very poorly) to limit the number of *unplanned* absences rather than the number of absences overall? IMO they are robbing their employees as if they didnt give them their whole pay check. Ive decided to start thinking of my lost productivity when this or similar things happen as the business cost of having people in the office. I dont think it has anything to do with kayaking being a dangerous team activity, but I wouldnt want to spend additional 1-on-1 time with somebody I dont trust and potentially give them ammunition or the ability to say whatever they want about our time together. I have a medical thing coming up that will require a couple of weeks of recovery. (Yes, they survived, and theyre doing great, and it was an absolute party when they came back.). Best of luck with the op. Posted on Jun 27, 2023. I agreeI think its better to straight up be honest with her and say that you prefer to keep work and personal relationships separate as much as possible. That was about two months before it actually happened, and I got my date quicker than expected. Dont use that arm much: no typing, dont open sealed jars, no significant cooking, no dancing or working out The fact that some employers would be all Woe is me about that type of situation is truly disgusting. It would almost certainly not be worth pursuing but I wonder if you could get to something like detrimental reliance on a promise as a cause of action. Thats not what the benefit is for. thats all. Yeah the the boss gets a bonus when not all sick days are used seems both counter to the nature of sick days and also incentive for this exact scenario to happen. Managers are paid to cope with the unexpected but we appreciate a this is likely to happen but who knows when heads up. I'm an HR Manager and at least once a week I. A number of colleagues did used to comment on it as it was such a regular pattern. However, this would be illegal if they fired someone who should have been protected by FMLA or the ADA. That's a good thing, but we are all growing new muscles together and learning to say "Thanks so much for your concern about me, but I'm fine and don't need spiritual advice right now."
A coworker asked me to not talk about religion, I did after - JustAnswer LW I agree with all the other commentators saying to give your boss a heads up you have surgery coming. People know surgery is backed up, the main thing I need to know is the approximation of when its happening and the estimation of recovery time. Coworker talks about his religion all the time I have a coworker who talks about his religion frequently and loudly in our open-concept space. In addition to different people having different personal health situations, if the policy officially allows caregivers sick time for dependents illnesses, that will factor in as well. Yeah, definitely dont underestimate how much energy it takes to heal a big wound like that. It would presumably not be legal to hire you at $80k/year and then only pay you $70k/year, so how is the company allowed to veto your time off like that? I imagine that if youre otherwise a good employee, it wont go further than a write-up, and a valued coworker did push back on the write-up after an obvious medical incident (broken limb) and was successful.
Talking About Religion and Politics: What is Acceptable in the Im always jealous of people who get sick time, even though it stinks that the LWs husband doesnt get to use all of theirs. I agree. No biggie. If hes just mentioning his church activities all the time, no. But I would always rather have to find coverage rather than have a sick employee come in and infect everyone. Yeah, its hugely variable. I honestly think people shouldnt think too much about other peoples sick leave. Its pretty easy to say dont proselytize at work and thats a lot less harmful than insisting that anyone who isnt a white Protestant has to hide all aspects of their identity that dont pass as WASP because they appear religious to people who are culturally Christian. We had 12 sick days, at 7 days they have a discussion at 10, it becomes a formal discussion. Would it be okay for me to gently push back against discussing this subject when it comes up? Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits workplace discrimination based on religion, . :(. Im not sure I think the company is any more fair or competent if this is the motivation. Its helpful to remember that individuals can be different than the trend. Re #1 I need my own advice. Because getting fired for something you were explicitly told you could do *sounds* like it should be actionable. I have worked with people who take a sick day because they feel they should work like vacation days rather than a safety net. She took every sick day as soon as she earned it , worked a full day maybe five times a month between taking sick days , coming in late and leaving early , told everyone within earshot that her doctor would not fill out the paperwork for either FMLA or ADA accommodations and was under the impression that the fact that supervisors were permitted to excuse up to 14 minutes of lateness per pay period meant that she was entitled to that 14 minutes every pay period. Talarico is a bit more devoted. Came to say the same thing. Another friend was absolutely flattened for two weeks and not great for another two after that. Determine what the manager and/or coworker can say aside temporarily to cover those responsibilities This is one to have had a firm policy about socializing with co-workers or management or whatever. Theyll be fine. The opposite, actually you are protected by federal law from unwelcome religious proselytism at work.
you have to put your leave request in X number of days before an absence of Y length) while sick leave is more often unplanned and you can just call out the morning of because thats how being sick often works. My father had an old tire in his shed and he found it filled with pinecones one day he cleared them out and put them in a garbage bag when he got an earful from the squirrel whose cache he was removing! Is this a reflection in the differences of workplace culture? Coworker of guy requests the guy stop talking about religion entirely, and the guy refuses, saying hes legally entitled to talk about Jesus at work Second warning and we inform the guy that his job is on the line and he will be fired if this happens again. Currently I'm far enough away that, while I can tell that these (one-sided) conversations are happening, I blessedly cannot hear every word and can easily tune them out. Asking in good faith Dear Asking, First of all, it's against the law to treat a person unfavorably because of his or her religious belief, or nonbelief, points out Sharlyn Lauby, president of ITM Group Inc., a consulting firm in Gainesville, Florida, that develops training solutions. With me, the topic was the 2016 election and the offender was my grandboss, whose office was directly behind my desk. And, sure, the manager should realize that, but it helps to make it explicit. Im sorry I cant give more details about it because I dont know much, but I thought it would be better to tell you something rather than nothing. Yeah, everyone here will understand if someone says Im on the waiting list but Im not sure how long itll take for my appointment to come through should be some time towards the end of the year, but it might be earlier if theres a cancellation. I spoke to my manager about it, and just said Ill need three weeks recovery afterwards, Ill give you as much notice as I get from the hospital, and that was fine. once in a while the joy of not thinking on a brain foggy day is so tantalizing. For example , one where you were required to take sick leave rather than any other type when you were out sick. What they are not allowed to do is require you to participate, agree, or be inportuned, as far as your own beliefs. For context of my question where I am, sick days accumulate but arent paid out if unused. religious framework for shalom, " Journal of Religion and Business Ethics, 3, no.1 (2014), Article 7. This is a perfect script to use on a reasonable person, but from what the LW wrote, their HR person isnt particularly reasonable. Why? I imagine the chronic shortage of doctors and nurses in this country, especially since the pandemic, is a contributing factor. But taking a sick day when you feel fine just because you want an extra paid day off is not okay. Talk about your faith freely with those who ask. In the recording, which first aired on "Anderson Cooper 360" and was also obtained by CBS News, Trump is heard speaking with staffers as papers are shuffled. I found myself really policing my own language so as not to spark any HR-worthy incidents. In OP2s case, there is no evidence that anyone is misusing the sick days and the company is behaving very badly in not allowing people to use sick time as promised (because 12 days is very reasonable). If hes insulting other religions or implying people outside his religion are going to hell, yes. They could, but the point is that many people wouldnt bother to be similarly vague about the Christmas concert, and their statement wouldnt stand out as mentioning religion. Ill also add I work for a relatively leave generous employer. I was hoping that she would eventually drop the idea. I would say something now.
Chipotle Workers Use Translator to Talk Sh*t About Manager - The Daily Dot I think it seems a lot of the American responses are more mixed. For that reason, we respectfully ask everyone on our team to remember that people come to work with many different viewpoints. The summer just gets too busy for me Hey, Boss. It would be obvious that there are exceptions. Just work from home. the number of hours in a work year = 2080. theyre being jerks over .00769 of a work year. Liz Ryan Former Contributor Nov 6, 2015,09:02pm EST Share to Facebook Share to Twitter Share to Linkedin Dear Liz, I am so glad I found your columns! #2 reminds me of Jennifer Anistons workplace in Office Space: You know what, Stan, if you want me to wear 37 pieces of flair why dont you just make the minimum 37 pieces of flair?. I wonder if OP could get away with if I go with you, Im going to have to say yes to other colleagues who have asked and that would be awkward, I know you of course will understand that! Freedom of religion doesn't mean you aren't ever allowed to have conversations about religion in your workspace; if her co-workers want to discuss the end times together they legally have the right to do so. It works well here, and anyway, its safer and smarter to select buddies based on attitude and skill level, rather than work location., OP4, I have seen how she treats people that upset her and get on her bad side. It doesnt mean know for a fact. Just make sure that September isnt unexpected (and neither are the adjoining months.) This is so unreasonable for so many reasons, and our shop steward tried to argue that they negotiated four more PTO days to cover potential illness, and thats really generous! Sir, if you have a chronic condition and have a ton of doctors appointments or have to take time for your illness, you eat through those extra four days in months.
I upset my Christian co-worker by calling her religious - Reddit The subject is so third-rail hot that even Harvard Business School has devoted relatively few courses and case studies to it. Does my company care? All that tells you is theyre sick at least 12 days a year but they only have 12 sick days to take. If not, you need to do that first. right but LW specifically mentions that not working because they do have a friend at work that HRina knows about. Like chronic illness that requires regular treatments, etc. Look at how many companies require sick notes for any call out sick? Religion is the first topic on the list that Dawn McKay gives regarding what should be avoided at work. To give a bit more context for one or two of the commenters my hesitation was less about the trans side of things (I am out at work, and I will be telling folks that it was top surgery once its done because it will be obvious in person), and more because I worry sometimes about managements ability to keep long term things in mind. Guy talks about church activities Fine. My understanding is that sick time can have discretion on whether you pay it out (I think to incentivize people not to hoard sick time and use it when they need it). "I am running because [Donald Trump] let us down . Unlikely to work. I wish I could convey to her that I generally avoid socializing with colleagues, but she is aware that I am friends with a member of her team (a friendship that predates my employment), and we often spend time together. As long as you turn up for work appropriately dressed no one will know the difference but its still dishonest and misusing the benefit. But Ill never know for sure, and it means that when I say to mutual friends, Hey, so I dont actually want to do this group thing with ____ because I still feel hurt that shes ended our friendship, they tell me Im probably imagining it and being oversensitive. Workplace Culture Content If you grew up in the United States, odds are good that someone taught you the following topics were off limits outside the home: politics, religion, and sex. Hard agree, also some people have valid social/personal reasons for not wanting to identify publicly as ex members of a religious group. And absolutely put the company on blast on Glassdoor. https://www.theweathernetwork.com/en/news/nature/animals/moose-beware-dont-lick-cars-youve-been-warned-jasper-national-park-alberta. If its about certain people abusing a policy and the company is punishing EVERYone, that actually makes it worse. You may opt-out by. Of course we can go kayaking! There was some prep work we did and it was an overall smoother experience since I had gotten that heads-up. (Id also be inclined to give a range for the likely recovery time Ive had two friends have it done fairly recently one was fine to be be back in work after a week and the other took over 3 weeks although was doing some WFH after about 10 days it seems to be as much luck as anything else! That parenthetical. You may be surprised by how many values you share with someone of a different faith than you. I got involved when one of our supervisors told an employee to stop 'hassling' another employee who felt awkward about saying "Please stop inviting me to your church -- I don't want to go." The LW was talking about how they dont trust the HR director, so I thought there was going to be some aspect there where doing a potentially dangerous activity like kayaking with them was a no go for that reason.
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