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Thanks for the quick response! Yes all understood. thanks English, Spanish, French, and German versions, Establish ownership and preserve your warranty, Determine your optimal module configurations, Home Technical Documents DIP Switch Settings Document. immobilizes the electrolyte to prevent leakage from the case. As I havent found a less powerful element that will fit, I would have to find some other way to do this. cheers mike. Will he continue charging in absorption/float mode or the voltage will increase? Id say the best for you is to use a tristar connected to a water heater that works at 48 volts. have fun Hi Hugh great resource thank you! 800W panels in series(24V) with a wind turbine 300W charging 4x 100ah batteries in series(to run a medium sized chest fridge-freezer combo, some small appliances occasionally and led lights). please could you advise me of what controler I must use to charge batteries from a wind turbine.The existing system is running on solar with a expert inverter that has its own charge controler. If you must have a single fuse on the battery (or a battery switch) then make sure that the wind turbine is disconnected (and/or shorted out by its brake switch) before you open that switch. The solar converters LDR unit is designed to work with capacitors in the absence of batteries, so it could be a better choice. The water element on the website says that I should not go higher of 75 % of the 817 watts Full nameplate current rating, both solar and load up to 60C continuous. Turbine connects directly to 24 volt battery.When the solar panel reach 29.2 and suddently there is wind or gust of wind (they was gust when the controller gave me a alarm or a diconnect so the inverter shut down at 31 voltso i need to restart it) the voltage went higher then 29.2. Personally I would recommend using a 48V system and set both tristars on diversion duty, but if one is a MPPT unit then there may be an option to use a 24V battery on a 48V hydro. Yes I mean noise produced by the switching which can come through in appliances. basir, yes you can use these two solar panels in series on a TS-60. The duration of the pulses will get shorter as the battery becomes charged and more power is diverted to the diversion load (pulse time is longer for the load). Its a nice product and has increased the output of my wind turbine slightly. Run them off the inverter through a relay. cheers, The thing is just that the power plant is in the shed, which is 50m away from the house, cables are laid already, and there is no provision for a low voltage cable. 1 on NEW PRODUCTS! Or post a photo we can see. Morningstar TriStar MPPT-45 Charge Controller, Morningstar TriStar MPPT-60 Charge Controller, Please advice price thanks. Youd need to have a computer and download MSview software and connect to the relay driver (RD) using a USB to serial adapter (unless you have an older computer with RS232 built in). Originally part of Berkshire it is now in Oxfordshire. Yes I agree it would be much better with a 48V system or even 96V but I have no control over the owners system (been there for 14Years). There are crude controllers on the market that use a large relay to switch the wind turbine from charging the battery to feeding a resistor. (24v system) PDF TriStar MPPT Default Charging Programs - Morningstar Corporation Hugh. i have a tlg 500w wind turbine, i had a intella charger which seemed to burn up at some point here resently, i just bought a TS-60 with the display and i also bought a switch panel to turn on the turbine/free spin/brake and it also has a rectifier to convert my 3 phase ac coming down from the turbine to 12v dc. Gel: Installed according to the manual for Diversion. The device you need is a relay driver. There is also an entry above (from Steve in January 2012) that talks about wind on Tristar MPPT60, but unfortunately not many details. Is this electrical noise, or hearing noise? The TriStar MPPT supports the industry standard MODBUS application protocol via its serial RS-232 and EIA-485 interfaces and MODBUS TCP via the Ethernet port (TS-MPPT-60 models only). The AWP turbine that I am running sees only small increases in power in low winds and maybe also 40% higher peak power but not much gain in the middle where most of the energy is produced. Question: the Tristar MPPT doesnt have a dump output, so how does that work with a wind generator? If they do then you could consider using a 24V battery. I was sold a Tristar 45A which Ive set up in diversion mode with two 24v 500w dump loads wired in series. The inefficiencies are also clear but one does not care too much since its grid-powered. Its OK to connect multiple controllers in parallel, or in this case to use one for solar and one in diversion load for wind. Hugh. if I keep an eye on voltage and open circuit on breakers when it gets above 30 ish (24v bank 435 ah) I hate the thought of no solar power for a month or more we are in the middle of summer here in the Algarve not a cloud in sight. Maybe just buy another solar module? Yes you can do this with a fairly small difference in voltage but the danger is that they may not agree as to when to do absorption charging and when to float. the turbine never produced much more than about 30 amps even in a force ten gale. Morningstar offers its products through a network of distribution partners. 65 volts is very high for charging the batteries. Morningstar offers its products through a network of distribution partners. Other turbines may see more dramatic results. Normally you would use a diversion controller to limit the current to the battery. Hugh. Switches 1 and 7 are always turned ON (UP). Hi, the information here is very helpful. Thanks very much Fred. The section on diversion charge control describes the standard programs for the diversion mode. My PWM goes up to 77 %,right now its winter so it will probably go higher in summer, so I try to install a box of resister (10 ohms in parallel for 1.66 ohms) in series with the water element and the water element is .96 homs It will work using a capacitor and there may be enough capacitance in the inverter but it would be better to use some dedicated to the controller as well. all the best, Have fun! What behaviour of wind controller will be? But which is the best way to go regulated? Hi, I am going to connect two Tristar controllers in parallel to the battery. You can get good resistors from Farnell or RS in the uk and they also have sites for greece. It will be off the grid Take care that the dump loads have plenty of ventilation or they will get dangerously hot. http://scoraigwind.co.uk/buy-a-charge-controller/. Very interesting roject! thanks for the reply hugh, current installation is a 18kw system off grid with 3 banks of batteries being fed via separate solar controllers and powering xantrex inverter units at 6kw each, all linked and running in parallel, this all has diesel backup for charging and running mains when batteries down low, plan is to install 4kw wind turbine to supplement solar system. When its set up I will be better placed to actually see it working, I will get an oscilloscope on it. PWM means pulse-width-modulation and it is a way to control the average current into the battery by switching very rapidly. My setup: I would like to install it with a 180W Solar Module (36 Vmp). Hugh. This video will show a complete example TriStar MPPT Setup Wizard walkthrough. Thinking of buying a 3kw aeleos turbine then I use a heating coil to act as a dumping load. ON DIP 1 234 5 67 8 ON DIP 1 234 5 67 8 ON DIP 1 234 5 67 8 ON DIP 1 234 5 67 8 (TS-MPPT-60 Only) Title: Visio-TSMPPT DIP Setup Chart.vsd Author: akehlenbeck Created Date: 12/15/2009 6:57:29 AM . Just called back to have a look at the blog some nice information for a newbie like me. You could for example use two car batteries at low cost and see how that goes. But at the second scheme I do not see the dumpload connection anymore.???? I have a scenario for you. Thanks very much And yes the inverter is ok to charge the battery at the same time as the solar. Hi Hannah, I do take your point re the inductance but this 3 phase alternator is rectified with a 3phase bridge rectifier and to filter the spikes has a capacitive filter which should cancel the inductance and isolate the tristar from the alternator. Current in each load depends on the voltage divided by the total resistance. Need to learn more about solar charge controllers? Any other ideas about why? I have read, people use the PWM option if these AUX Output, connected to a SSR, like this AC loads can be used. Finally maybe your wind turbine produces high surges of current that are more than the Tristar (and its load) can dump, and so the voltage rises? Connect 6 in parallel to dump 18 amps or so. Its a series of pulses. Does that leave enough headroom for battery safety? 4,5,6 all off is a very low charging voltage. I do not check this comments page often. Possibly there are some inductive kicks off the alternator winding when the tristar does its switching. SureSine inverters, GenStar MPPT DC charging systemCLICK HERE TO FIND OUT MORE. I have a question I hope you could help me with, Im building a wind turbine with tristar as a controller, I was wondering if i connect the load to the system, will it actually create a resistance so it would be harder for the turbine to spin and therefore charge the battery? I used a resistor to connect the dump to the coil and trimmed the resistance until it operated a relay to trip the trip relay at just the right point when the dump is maxed out. Thank you. Seven presets anda custom setting can be set via DIP Switches orby the meter display buttons. also on the operative display shows BULK. And at that point the diversion of power by the Tristar will be enough to prevent the wind turbine from overcharging the battery if necessary. We have AC240V elements (the lowest available is 1.8Kw) in the water heater. DIP Switch Settings Document - Morningstar Corporation Morningstar sources the highest quality parts which promotes proven reliability and performance. For example to heat water where you also have a backup source if you need hot water and there is no surplus power from wind and solar. If the Tristar shuts down, or its load fail to work then your battery could ultimately explode. Currently overkill I know but future upgrade pending and needed custom charge ability. 8 off (manual equalise if desired). Date: 12 April 2013 10:53:18 BST DIP Switches Number 2,3 - System Voltage: Load and Diversion switch settings can be found in Appendixes 1 and 2. With over 4 million products sold in over 100 countries since 1993 functioning in some of the most extreme environments & mission-critical applications in the world Morningstar Corporation is truly the leading supplier of solar controllers and inverters. Morningstars stable management along with the lowest employee turnover rate has led to our success. Maybe you are using a 24-volt battery and the controller has decided that you are using 12 volts? Each Tristar will need its own resistive diversion load that is appropriately sized. Peter. Overall they will look after the battery well, but your priority may not be what you expected. On a wind system you should use it to control a dump load so as to limit the current to the battery by diverting some to dump. I hope this helps. my question is if i wire the ts-60 as divert like mentioned above for wind turbines do i need to buy a second ts-60 for charge control? Large heat sink and conservative design enables operating at full ratings to 45C, Optional ,eter displays extensive system and controller information, automatic self-test and reset. Hugh. That is only possible using the TSMPPT controller. The solution is the set dip switches 2 and 3 to suit your battery. The controller provides the industry's highest peak efficiency of 99 % and significantly less power loss . If below then you will get maximum diversion, which is ideal for heating water. Hugh. well its hard to say. The SunSaver is the worlds leading small solar controller for industrial and leisure markets. This is the second in the series of videos on MSView Setup Wizard Custom Settings. You say the tristar gives an alarm but you dont say what that alarm is. If not, Id appreciate it if you were able to refer me to someone that might be able to help me. I have a 48v battery bank connected to a sunny island, 240vac generator and 4.5kw solar via a sunny boy. They can all be wired to the same battery bank. Hugh. TS-MPPT Setup Wizard Part 2 DIP Switch Settings - YouTube cheers Im planning on buying two 270w solar panels Vmp:34v. How about the water heater of 632 watts at 24 volt..will it work. do you know any eshop in UK selling dump loads? It seems like when it tries to equalize, it will hit the set point for the second TS-45 before it can get to the equalization voltage. These are not so good for the battery. If you need any renewable energy equipment (controllers, inverters, batteries, solar PV, hydro turbine, etc) then do not hesitate to ask me for a quote. I have a question regarding the Tristar MPPt 60 amps: The SunSaver Duo is a two battery solar controller with optional remote meter for caravans and boats. In the installation and operation manual section on battery information you can read The voltage is regulated in this way. hi Bob, First I want to say this is really helpful info, thanks. Im still unsure whether to buy controller, or make simple one based on plans available on net. Hello Hugh how many watt resistor i need and ohms? English Deutsch Franais Espaol Portugus Italiano Romn Nederlands Latina Dansk Svenska Norsk Magyar Bahasa Indonesia Trke Suomi Latvian Lithuanian esk . Keep up the good work. I would like to connect a 48V wind turbine type Piggott of 2m40 to the grid, do you have a brand / model of regulator + load shedding resistance to advise me to place before the inverter? Before energising the Tristar you should configure its dip switches. and what kind of 3 phase rectifier must i use? Hi Zopa, Im new here, i got the same problem like you, i would very much like to know what they say about your problem. if you have to dispose of 40 amps and your loads are able to take 60 amps then the controller will choose about 67% so as to divert the required 40 amps. When you write mpw, I think you mean a PWM diversion controller (such as the tristar in diversion mode). The current is diminished as required to give the correct charge rate, as found by monitoring the battery voltage. TriStar MPPT DIP Switch Setup Template en 1 | PDF | Battery I am still a little confused hi Georgios, Meter includes multi-lingual interface withscroll buttons to adjust the settings and displaymetrics. You may need to contact Morningstar about this. The TriStar-45 is by far the most affordable unit out there that meet these demands *but*, could it be fed by mains power? Maybe it is OK for 12V but most likely it is designed for 24V and it will turn too slowly to work properly. But this does seem to imply that the batteries will also partially drain if the dump resistors are switched on? If I was using a solar panel and not a hydro the solar controller would by means of PWM control the average voltage down to the correct charging voltage for the batteries. (815 watts) Many thanks again As I am a liveaboard, I dont mind a bit of complication for long term use, so if there is working method to use that surplus for 110V heating element from PWM, can you elaborate? yes the TS60 will handle both the pv and the wind but you need to have enough dump capacity. Outdoor rated connecting wires for waterproof connection to solar module and battery. Charge controllers using relays or PWM type? you could try the tech support at Morningstar. Thks, hi Louis, I have a windmill with a permanent magnet generator so it goes up to 100VDC, could I use the Tristar with the schema you give in your post (with a 12V battery bank). Connect them in parallel. We have ordered a 110 volt 3 phase breaker, bridge rectifier and the tristar 60 a PWM. You are right that the Kiss is small for a land application, but for a boat it is fine, especially as the trade winds blow. The settings of switches 4,5,6 depends on the battery type. The output voltage to the heater should be zero until you reach the chosen level and then it starts to pulse on and off quite fast. Hugh. At some point it will be sure that you have plenty of % when suddenly the battery voltage plummets, and SOC is revised from 70% down to 15% and the whole system crashes down. 514037N 14001W / . Many Thanks In Advance, I am not going to argue with you about the power rating, Doug, but simply state that I would not push that stator above 500 watts for too long. How do I make all of this work??? Ive been running 1000w of PV through a 30a eTracer mppt regulator into my 48v battery bank for a few months. 7 on for diversion charge control mode I have a 1 Kw of solar arrays with Tristar MPPT-60 controller on a 24V system and I just bought a Hummer 500W windturbine to upgrade the system to a hybrid one. Buscot is an English village and civil parish on the River Thames, about 1.5 miles (2.4 km) south-east of Lechlade. 100% solid state design and epoxy encapsulated for environmental protection. 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They will use the same stock numbers in the Greek online store. I did email Morningstar technical 4 months ago when I set everything up and they replied within a day to say it was fine to have the two controllers together but suggested the mppt do the equalizing due to the higher voltage. switch 8 is on for noise reduction if noise is a problem in operation but if not then OFF is the better choice. I hope that helps. Hi hugh, Appendix 2 - Diversion Charge Control DIP Switchsettings. But how wrong I was once Id opened the envelope and settled down to read the contents with a cup of coffee. Hugh. Ok for 45 amps The house (when open) opens at 2.00pm. It will be setup with 24volt battery system, using 60cell PV panels in parallel (Vmax 29.52v). Personally Id have two diversion controllers instead but I suppose this should work provided you are right about the Voc figure. With over 4 million products sold in over 100 countries since 1993 functioning in some of the most extreme environments & mission-critical applications in the world Morningstar Corporation is truly the leading supplier of solar controllers and inverters. Morningstars stable management along with the lowest employee turnover rate has led to our success. But this will not damage the Tristar. That way you can set delays and minimum run times and stuff so that the pump does not stop and start incessantly. I have emailed Morningstar and await a reply but I reckon this problem outlines the issues of using two controllers on a hybrid system I thought as they are from same manufacturer that would be okay perhaps not. I have seen cases of blown FETs but very rarely. We offer the range with built in display as standard in models suitable for 12V or 24V. Hello, Morningstar offers its products through a network of distribution partners. The SunGuard is a one module solar controller for professional and lesiure markets. High levels of electronic and environmental protections make them equally suitable for light professional uses. It is also a good way to maximise energy usage if you can put the heaters somewhere that is beneficial such as in a water tank. it is important to never exceed the manufacturers maximum charging Next, even though not documented the MPPT60 supports wind turbine input, ver 1.3 onwards, on the setup gui you get a list of power points to manually input for your turbine, you wire the turbine in to the controller so get logs of power ect. The diversion controller does this by diverting some of the current instead of blocking it. They may not always agree but the differences will not be significant, so you can ignore them. NEW PRODUCTS! I guess thats why I let that one fall by the way when I listed the other ideas. The diversion controller will not convert the voltage, just divert the excess current. Connect all of the batteries together as one and keep them charged up (until the wind stops and you need to use them). I guess more reading of the manual is called for. I would try a middle setting and then monitor water consumption. This will regulate the battery very precisely and allows for the turbine producing a bit more than it is rated to. I am on the road so sorry for slow replies here. I would use the tristar with a suitable dump load around one ohm and one kilowatt. This will not be perfect for the battery but it will work so long as you choose suitable settings for on/off threshold voltages and suitable time delays. PWM means pulse width modulation and the controller sends pulses of DC to the resistor. Hugh. Visit our solar charge controllers FAQs. PWM series battery charging with temperature compensation. I would not leave the generator management up to the SI when using wind and solar. The pwm controller adjusts the current so as to keep the battery charge rate exactly right, based on the principle of holding a particular voltage for that stage in the charging process. TriStar MPPT Training Program - SunWize Technologies, Inc. EN. either way the battery voltage will be the same for all 3 when on charge. Once the tanks are full this relay will achieve nothing and the heater will be able to work without interruption. I dont have much experience of boat systems with 2 batteries but the tristar is only designed to charge one. R-G-Y sequencing.. can you help me? TriStar MPPT Training Program - SunWize Technologies, Inc. One last question what the meaning of 77 % of pwm ? Mostly it is a waste of fuel though. I am assuming you are using 1 strand of #14 gage wire and each coil has 70 turns. These turbines are great for bringing power where there is none. (it wouldnt be a biggie to put 3 more panels up there, cables are in already) what type of battery is it? It also has onboard data you can access with a laptop or with the optional meter. We have installed a TriStar-45 PWM controller together with a windmill and some solarpanels. With the switches in the OFF position, the following functions are present: Switch Function. we get very little lightning around here. See appendix II at the back of the manual. Another issue: i have install a TRS and i got 2 alarm (high voltage) around 25 amp (analogue meter from my solar panel) of charging..them it stop doing . Lightning surges are an obvious possibility but Id say that if the turbine is grounded and the battery is not then this is less likely. Point to use diode is that i dont want to burn any other power from battery to dump load .. and let Victron finalize charging. Kind regards, Some issues as I wrote. 4-stage charging keeps batteries in top condition, Accept loads to same ratings as charge currents, Two USB-A ports for charging multiple mobile phones/tablets, Provides system and controller information, data loggingand bar graphs, 30m of cable for mounting away from the controller, Displays systems information, logged data, alarm and errors, May be mounted in the wall or on the wall including frame, 4 independent relay driver outputs (relays not included), Used for high/low voltage alarms, load control, generator start, Reads digital data inputs for TriStar or TriStar MPPT, Improves battery charging by using temperature at the battery for very accurate temperature compensation. If you want to use a dump load to regulate your battery then the TS60 is a better choice. If I use zero-crossing, burst firing instead then that makes the light flicker. This is the second in the series of videos on MSView Setup Wizard Custom Settings. In most cases the increased voltage is a worry as it can damage the controller. Hugh, Hi there, hope you are all ok Any advice on settings/circuit breakers,etc would be highly appreciated, Im also new to this: ) Thank you, Craig. A simple full-cycle rectifier would bring the voltage too high, but maybe a half-cycle (single diode) could do the job (with a big enough capacitor)? In most cases the Tristar controller in diversion mode is the best solution for a wind turbine. This can be AC or DC according to its ratings. Control charger would be the TriStar 60ah. Am just wondering, cant a dc water heater be used as a resistive load? DIP switch provides user with choice of 7 digital presets. Good info Thank you. I have been using a midnite classic for about a year now and have been meaning to write a review of my experiences. I agree PWM and MPPT are two different things, no confusion there. Can a Tristar MPPT 60 amps be used for wind and solar at the same time ? If using a motorised device such as air con as a dump load you will not be able to use PWM switching. If they are both set to auto EQ then this will not take long. Fully protected against reverse polarity , short circuit, overcurrent, high temperature and overvoltage. We are not talking about MPPT. I have a hydro setup with a Tristar TS-45 as my primary diversion load controller. Thank you. Its crude, but it can work. Please, what is the dip switch setting for a 24volts 165AH battery for TS45 tristar solar controller, four, five six depends on the battery type but ON, Off, Off is a middling sort of setting (29.2 volts). We have though of using a large relay to switch the load to the air-dump using a thermostat but unsure if this is the best way to go. The pwm diversion controller does not gain any power whereas with the MPPT there is a possibility of gaining some power in stronger winds by running the turbine at a higher voltage than the battery voltage. Hi Ian, It depends on whether your diversion load is doing anything useful. 2. The correct answer probably depends on how much time you spend diverting power. I suggest you find a local supplier. I recieved the book yesterday and when it arrived I thought this isnt worth 12. im still waiting for my magnet to arrive, so cant say anything about my system yet It needs a diversion load to go with that voltage (28 volts on charge) and current. Required fields are marked *. 2+3 what should they be for 12v system 8-off for on/off charging The dump loads are the resistors shown in the second diagram. At 14 volts this will draw 18.7 amps and dissipate 260 watts. To help in the winter, I have lots of wind where I am. Brilliant site, Ive learnt a lot: thanks! hi I dont know much about AC, but isnt that easy to do with something like a dimmer? Make sure that your tail furls well. Cheers. Two houses there contain notable collections of paintings. Use a relay with normally closed contacts to bypass this diode in normal conditions but when the generator comes on the relay is energised, contacts open and the supply to the sensing contacts is via the diode and hence about 0.7 volts lower than battery voltage. What you should do is connect the tristar to a relay driver so that the relay driver energises a relay that operates the pump. I have not used tristar MPPT controllers for wind yet but I believe they are sending me one to try. This procedure is clearly described in Appendix 2 (at the back of the manual). Setting the tristar charging voltages above the SIs ones should prevent wasting generator power in the diversion load. How does the TS-60 do it, both doing it with dip switch method and the using the software? hi Louis, Hi Hugh or i have to use normal TS-60 for the above application ? Use lighting mode for lights, and diversion mode for battery charge control. Or if you prefer to heat water, and dont like using DC loads then the relay driver might be a good choice as you can switch an AC heater on and off using your inverter to heat water and regulate the battery that way.
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